100 Lies of SHC History and More!! : )

[{{DHK}}HolyLord]

The Truth Behind "yugod gilman"

So, I saw this website which some noob called gilman from some clan called "yugod" created, about the history of SHC, in which he claims to know "the truth" about the history.   I realized there were many many errors and false things on this website, and that the creator of the website must not know very well what he is talking about.  After reading this, it is clear that "yugod gilman" has not played SHC for a long time, and is probably a new player.

So here I will show everyone the truth behind the SHC History, and all the lies that are on this noob's website.   Get ready, there are hundreds.  I will post little at a time, so everyone has some time to read some.

Lie 1:
Gilman Site SS:
 
http://imageshack.us/a/img152/1986/lie1w.png

Now, you can see I put "DeXT3R" and "=G$F=HaCKeTT**" in red boxes.  Why?  Well here is the first lie I want to share of "yugod gilman" (new player in shc).   The funny thing about what gilman said is that:   DeXT3R = HaCKeTT
So how can DeXT3R be a real player from =G$F= , but HaCKeTT is not?  Because Gilman wasn't there in 2003-2004-2005-2006, etc.  So he doesn't know that HaCKeTT and Dexter are the same person.  HaCKeTT used the name Dexter sometimes and sometimes the name Hackett, but on same account.  Also, if you look at the forum topic  "What People Think of HolyLord" you will see in my post I mentioned:

{{DHK}}HolyLord wrote

Before them, when i was new player, I lost twice vs G$F Hackett

So did I lose vs myself?  lol  Also if you look at http://www.freewebs.com/dhkwebz/dhkmembers.htm you can see in bottom under "Inactive and Ex DHK"  --   -{{DHK}}DeXT3R            (2006-2007)    
Hackett joined DHK in 2006 and stayed active until 2007.    You can ask any old player about this.

Now that is Lie #1.


Here is:

Lie #2

Gilman Site SS:
 
http://imageshack.us/a/img824/4861/lie2b.png


So F_U_B_A_R is aka?   This is the biggest joke ever.   This is one of the best proof that GILMAN has NO IDEA what he is talking about.   F_U_B_A_R played SHC even before ME....  He is a legend, and one of the best players ever of G$F.   He was also Standard's friend and 2v2 partner for many years.   Calling Fubar an aka is pretty stupid and shameful, I am even embarassed for GILMAN's retard ideas about Fubar.   I played against Fubar many times in 1v1, and he was one of my main enemies during the great war in 2004-2005.

If you want more proofs, look here -- http://www.gamespyarcade.com/wizards/strategy/events/new/april_2005_09.htm

This is a 2v2 event from 2005, when I was leader in X2X and Bartholo in G$F.  Like I said, FUBAR was Standard's 2v2 partner for a long time, and they were one of the best teams.  
If you look on Best of Crusader "Best 2v2 Teams" page, you can see:

http://bestofcrusader.weebly.com/the-best-2v2-teams-of-all-time.html


Under "The Best 2v2 Teams in Stronghold: Crusader History"
"
=G$F=Standard
&
=G$F=F_U_B_A_R-NOYC

98

"

You can ask almost ANY old player, and I guarantee you that they will know who Fubar is, and tell you that he is NOT an aka.  It's such a stupid idea for us older players, like saying today "Dingo is aka!" or "Feanor doesn't exist!"

Because of this, you have shown even more how foolish it is to believe that Gilman is an "old player".  

ALL of what "yugod gilman" knows about SHC history is from what he hears from other people and what he finds on old websites.  His understanding of SHC history is very small, and he brings shame and lies which distort the truth very badly.


Now for the next Lie:



Lie #3
Gilman Site SS:
 
http://imageshack.us/a/img708/3331/lie3.png

Here you can see another fail of "yugod gilman" and a lie which blocks the truth behind SHC History.   Standard and XXoDDuSS were best from 2002-2006?  lol, worst joke ever

XXoDDuSS didn't even play in 2005 or 2006 (he stopped playing in 2004, and maybe played only few games in 2005 - very noob in 2005).   Standard wasn't even top 10 in 2005-2006 (maybe top 20).

Here are some top lists from 2005-2006, in which you won't see either XXoDDuSS or Standard:

http://www.freewebs.com/knightsofkyuss/knights.htm

http://webltx.webs.com/swiatowetop10.htm

http://hkcdhk.webs.com/top.htm


Why doesn't "yugod gilman" know this?   Because he wasn't there in 2005 or 2006, unfortunately.



Lie #4

Gilman Site SS:
 
http://imageshack.us/a/img17/4863/lie4.png

None of the players listed are old experts or legends from these clans, except what "yugod gilman' could find on old websites.   There are sooo many mistakes here (and missing players) that it is obvious that "yugod gilman" has no clue about the members of old times.

Here are some more specifics about this:

=G$F=

All of the first 6 players on "yugod gilman's" G$F list are found on the website:  http://webgsf.webs.com/members.htm

The other 9 he got EXACTLTY from my post in 2010 on Best of Crusader forums, which you can find here:
http://the-best-of-crusader.4467478.n2.nabble.com/TOP-10-EXPERTS-REAL-EXPERTS-td5667136.html
 

http://imageshack.us/a/img16/5083/holylordgsfpost.png

Compare the players on "yugod gilman's" list and see they are all from these 2 sources.

But why did he ONLY list these players from =G$F=?  Some of them aren't even "good", but he just listed them to appear as if he knows more about =G$F= history.    There were more than 50 more =G$F= members which gilman could never name.    Ask him.  I bet he also knows nothing personally about these older players, such as Dice, PimpJuice, Lennoxx, Mr. Moo, Caribou, and Stealth.   Can he even give me 1 of their real names? or email?  or country?  Nope.

"yugod gilman" also got all his info on "X2X" players from X2X websites.   Same with DHK, look here:

Devilsspawn was never in X2X.
 
http://imageshack.us/a/img266/782/devilsspawn.png


Every single one of the DHK members which "yugod gilman" named are from two websites which he saw:

http://desertholyknightsdhk.webs.com/members.htm
and
http://www.freewebs.com/dhkwebz/dhkmembers.htm

Notice that he didn't name any other players but the players he could find on this list.  Why?  Because he doesn't know any other players, because he wasn't there.   There were countless other DHK members which he couldn't name.  He probably can't even tell you one thing about any of the players which he named...  If he can, I challenge him to make some response and tell me about these players.  

He said "some good players that I remembered from DHK were:"

http://imageshack.us/a/img853/2301/dhkgoodplayerslol.png

Good players? LOL  -- notasnewbie couldn't even make 10k in 10pt.   heliosphan had problem vs Caliph...  DarkWarrior played SHC for 8 days when i recruited him, and went inactive after 2 weeks.  Cloud and Tiger were the same person.  There are too many mistakes...  "yugod gilman," unfortunately there are too many things which you cannot learn simply from websites.    :\



Lie #5

Now here is one of the best stories - the story of DHK and its founding.


"yugod gilman" said on his website that originally the "clan are formed by guy called DESERT WARIOR or THEODEN in mid of 2003"  
This is true, but how does he know this?  because:
http://desertholyknightsdhk.webs.com/ (original DHK website)

Let's read more:

"yugod gilman" said:  "This guy left clan and come at end 2004 back but then he got a title of colonel by TheWizardChrles who become a leader after Theoden gone inactive."

Now we have some problems.   "yugod gilman" doesn't mention what the original DHK website says:  
"After about 1 year, in 05/17/04, the DHK started to dicipitate and people eventually all left because of the leaving of our "former" boss and Gens."

So the old DHK clan died by May 2004.

But let's keep reading from the original website:

"In 9/18/04, the DHK was refounded by Holylord and Theoden."

What?

"In 9/18/04, the DHK was refounded by Holylord and Theoden."

Well "yugod gilman" didn't seem to mention this fact, maybe he forgot.

Let's keep reading from the original website:  But Theoden left for classified reasons, and we are now proud to be led by Holylord and TheWizardCharles.

But I thought "yugod gilman" said:  "In that time Holylord was only a member" ?

Let's compare:

Original DHK website:
 
http://imageshack.us/a/img812/6660/dhkholylordfounderleade.png

"yugod gilman" lie:
 
http://imageshack.us/a/img94/3275/dhkholylordoldtime.png


So we can see that the truth is that Theoden and I refounded DHK in 2004  (on September 18th).   And now we can see even more that this guy "yugod gilman" has no clue what he is talking about.  I was there on the first day of the refounding of DHK.  


And here is my best picture for everyone to see... The same website which "yugod gilman" uses to try to say "HL is not founder of DHK" .....  Look at the very bottom of the website.   :)


http://desertholyknightsdhk.webs.com/

 

LOL.   Maybe he forgot to read.

gg.






Bonus Lie of the Day:
 
http://imageshack.us/a/img233/7550/bartholodidntexisted.png

But Bartholo was expert in SHC before I started playing...   How could he not exist? lol

:)




5 More exposed lies of "yugod gilman" to come tomorrow.   Keep reading for the truth, and some fun knowledge about SHC history.
















PS:  Challenge Questions for "yugod gilman" to try to answer:

I would be surprised if "yugod gilman" could answer even a few of these questions correctly.


1.  Name +10 G$F players which you didn't get from websites.

2. Name the 10 original members of X2X.

3. Which came first, G$F or X2X?

4. Name the TWO founders of HELL clan.

5. Who was Sanitarium?  What clans was he in?  (except DHK)

6. Who are the founders of NDR?

7. Who designed and edited X2X website in 2003?

8. Who designed and edited X2X website in 2005?

9. Name 10 players from DKS.

10.  Who recruited Shazzabog to X2X?

Bonus Question:  What clan did Meelman found?

[oneOfMany]

gg.

[Merlin]

So, I was asked to drag my old bones over here and verify some of this information. I will say from the beginning, this, I have talked with Gilman, and while he hasn't provided me with a name he use to go by, I do know his friend FireBoy was once in my clan some 8 to 10 years ago. Aside from this, it does appear much of his information he provides is from grave-digging websites. Most of the websites which were made by random players and that represent a very small section of time, and do not give a true history on the origins of the players or clans that the represent. Also, I would like to make it a point to say, that I do not respect anyone for having played Crusader for a long time. That is no qualification. If you are a true legend you did something great for the community, and are undoubtedly remembered for that, not for having sat on your ass watching the days roll by for 10 years.

Lie 1: I would throw this out as proof in either direction. HaCKeTT by both men's stories is clearly an aka of someone, and the fact is this was a long time ago when there was much confusion and chaos of akas and bigger clan battles going on at the time.

Lie 2: Fubar was not an aka. Fubar had a unique style, which was most closely mimicking Deeznuts. Fubar played at a skill level that could only be matched by a few players at the time, all of which would have had no time or reason to pull off this aka. Fubar was also most known for his 2vs2 matches, and clearly played too many games against other experts to be going by two names at the same time. Despite all this, Fubar and I have a history, that is only kept quiet now by his absence. If Fubar were still around today I would be one of the first to know.

Lie 3: XXoDDuSS did not play in 2006, and not even in 2002. I think he appeared sometime in late 2003. He was an expert only for a short period of time, and then disappeared. He was only considered a godfather or top expert in the delusional mind of FireDragon, who told lies to generations of players to make people think X2X was around longer than it was, and housed champions whos skill was exaggerated.

Lie 4: The list of legends. Yeah, I can see where these players names were taken from by the links Holy provided. Yes, I made a statement about grave-digging old websites and the inaccuracies associated with that. No, I do not think I could do a better job naming all the players of other clans from the top of my head without looking for info from websites like Gilman did. Maybe it is the vast amount of players I have seen come and go, maybe it is my own jaded opinion on many of these 'experts', but there are simply very few players who I think are worthy of memory.

Lie 5: I was told the same story about the founding of DHK. HolyLord claims his story, and no one else is around to tell the difference. The fact is, that when DHK started, as with every clan in the history of SHC (except maybe GSF), no one really paid attention to it until it had proven itself. You do not see one man pop on a tag one day and ask to see who the founder is. And until that clan proves itself you have no reason to care. I have only heard from two people about the founding of DHK, TheWizardCharles being the other, and he claimed he founded the clan himself. Clearly there is still some mystery to DHK's origins.


With all that said, I just want to remind everyone, that Crusaders history always has been and always will be somewhat of a mystery. There have always been too many lies and propaganda to discern the 100% truth. Entire clans, like X2X, were founded on lies, and generations of players were spoon-fed these lies from day 1. I will do my best, out of respect for the game and community, to tell the truth of the times I was active, but the history will never be excepted by everyone, as we all have our own opinions.

[!Yu.GoD!GILMAN~RF]

I didnt say name because i have some random name like idk :dragon and i werent in any clan but one(i will keep it as secret).
AND HL PLEASE NEXT TIME DONT EDIT SITE IN YOUR PURPOSES!BE ONES ONCE PLZ
http://desertholyknightsdhk.webs.com/impersonatersofthedhk.htm
THIS IS EDITED.LAST ONE WERE DIFFERENT.I SEE NOW YOU MADE A SITE.SEE DOWNTHERE.
YOU MADE AGAIN LIES!!! OMG....!
YOU CHANGED EVEN THIS SITE. I AM FEELING SICKNESS NOW!
Also as you see in your words i saw gsf members from you(rediculous)( i didnt even add a 50% of them in MY list and mati isnt in 1 site you gived) so that try fail.And dont use a sites i add in my site to get some proofs of your shits.and i am sure devilspawn were x2x somewhere in pass.HERE IS THE PROOF(IN YOUR OWN SITE) NAMED "IMPERSORATERS OF DHK" IN http://desertholyknightsdhk.webs.com/impersonatersofthedhk.htm
THAT IS PROOF EVEN HOLYLORD LIES AND MAKE FAKE THINGS,AND HE FORGOT A LOT OF THEM.PATHETIC.
"(X2X)Devilspawn666 has hacked {DHK}HolyKnight{GEN} and is using his account.  Devilspawn is also using multiple accounts"=HE WERE X2X! -.- YOU CANT LIE ME.YOU CAN LIE KIDS.
YOU SUCK HL SORRY. #1


ALSO THIS SITE IS EDITED I REALIZE NOW BECAUSE EARLIER THERE WERE WRITE THAT CLAN WERE FORMED BY  THEODEN(DESERTWARIOR)-TRUTH AND NOW IT NAMED THEODEN+SWIFT-LIES.(HE CAN EDIT SO HE DID IT TO HIDE FACT HE MAKE LIES).AGAIN PATHETIC TRY.
YOU SUCK HL. #2

NOW QUESTIONS ON HL IDIOTS QUESTIONS(i hope  you will not spam me more and this comunity about deniening me as old player).I answered question so After answering this questions i will close this topic about my deniening as old player.Now let's start:

1.I didnt get any names from website if i get them from website i would name everyone i get.Use braing hl if you has it.-.-'

2.wrath,firedragon,dark knigh,stealth,dark king,pure blood,kyo sama maybe idk for him,ener,crescent and company came few years later,hunter maybe,fanatic,deez,exotic,bolton,white shadow is kinda old too,major dick later,tweety,snipes(for him idk if it were same percon as goc snipes),holylord,you were too later dk i cant remember all,i am not sure for all...Because you know plz name someone else if know,but dont say again lies like for devil(he wasnt x2x,he were)-.-

3.For it in my head GSF is earlier came to GSA,that is truth.X2X came later.but they still get to be strong in nwa in later times.So GSF comes earlier.

4.two:Dzu and lord of hell,devilspawn later and del666 were leader i forgot almost all about hell's idk for devilspawn but dzua and lord of hell were founders

5.Sanitarium were a founder of ulc(untolld legens of crusader) he were a dhk earlier,and x2x idk for minor clans.His aka who knows where have been.

6.ram and Necro(mancer) dark realms

7.Lol,so retarded question,i ask you who edited a site of TSA during 2006 or who edited a site of X-CON during 2007?-.-"try remember that.pathetic questions.

8.read 7.

9.merlin,princessnuggles,apocryph,imp(angry),zraith,dl(dragon lord),zraith,TBS(he were one of important guy in shc game),angeleye,tiffany,robin,swoop,nick,tayo... i named 15 i cant remember now more...

10.Another fucking idiots question...How the fuck i need to know who recruited who in every clan?-.-
so imbecil question of idiot who made them.
I ask you who recruited lutel to x2x or who recruited nescafe to Goc?or this one who recruited dingo in DF answer-.-''''''''''''''''

11.Meelman were a founder of clan called JEDI.(earlier he were TSA council(i am sure you dont know it because you suck in this info)),after it he change to Goc,then OWNED YOU SEVERAL TIMES FROM X2X,REMEMBER?

Now dont say i found this somewhere becasue i have it in my head.Let's see now:
Soon questions for you beacuse you are -.-'
Now i will make idiot questions like you but only 5 because i am sure you will  not answer on it...

1.Who were masta and what is the name of his wife?(this nowadays knows a lot players and friends of you because i told them)why he were important.and what he was doing?

2.Who founded tsa and when,who were there,later verry big name players(smt famous) them and their previous nicks+clans
WHY YOU DELETED ALL COMENTS IN TOPIC"GREATEST OF ALL TIME" WHERE FIREBOY WHERE IN CONVERZATION TOO 2 YEARS BEFORE? you dont need answer it i will say;because you are lier.and make lies.

3.Tell me why you keeping in your decidion to lie you founded DHK,becasue you didnt?Even bartholo in my conversation with him accept and say truth that theoden made it.have ss somewhere...you just REOPEN it.learn difference,you cant say you opened a clan if you add one { in tag.verry funny.-.-
What were ASE(A.S.E.) founded after 2002?

4.why luis7 and blacky left you becasue you were idiot and let them left?And why you trying to denie  blacky when he could OWN you at his best?

5.Who were Thebrokensword?what he done for shc?

NOW :

"lie 1"
yOu need glasses 100%.See what i wrote "i will not comment a akas like Hacket",and i made dexter as legit player(so dexter=hacket therefore) i now see you dont have IQ over 12.Pretty nice for imbecil.You should be proud of yourself.

"lie 2" is lie.
FUBAR werent aka.i admit it.It were my opinion and i were syspicious so i add him as aka.It will be fixed soon.Sorry all on that.

"lie 3"
HL ,you cant make your own site and be proud taht you wrote your own name as there greatest there.So thats sucks.Now duss and stan were then best during 2002-2004 and fd(you were vverry new then) and in 2005 that is truth they fall a part.so...
you write lie,if smb read it that not means they should believe in them.

"lie 4"
Now again proof you need glasses.See what i wrote:"SOME GREAT PLAYERS I REMEMBER"
That means smt is good for me isnt for all.-.-''''
i just name players i can remember.

"lie 5"
DHK is reall y founded by THEODEN.You just reopend it!you cant say you are founder if you add { in clan tag.what a pathetic try of it.EVEN BARTHOLO ADMIT ME THAT THEODEN IS FOUNDER IN OUR CONVERSATION SS IS SOMEWHERE HERE BUT I AM TOOOOOOO BUSSY NOW FOR POSTING IT
SO I AM SORRY I DIDNT READ ALL YOU WROTE HL in this topic,so i didnt answer it i just randomed saw some parts.
I wait other  "5lies" of you to proof that are "5 truth" but you represent them as lies.

Peace to all who finds a 2 sec to look this post,becasue it's no wortly to read hl shits.

[{{DHK}}WarLord]

wow i read the whole thing

[!Yu.GoD!GILMAN~RF]

Read again i update it about devilspawn(becaue hl suck in his info about devilspawn).and other shit i dont doubt he will delete that site sometime.

[Fireboy]

I'm feeling good when I'm involving in this kind of conversations about history, specially if HL is there (check my profile on forum, topics "The Greatest Of All Time?" and "Discuss About the Greatest Of All Time - add me to the greatest" by G$F HackeTT). On "The Greatest Of All Time?" you can see (I'm really tired speaking about it all the time lol, all HL comments are deleted - since then, I came on GR first time in 2010 and saw this forum, he didn't replied any of my feedbacks about lies lol - you can also see my recent posts like 5-6 days ago on "† A Message From Your King † by {{DHK}}HolyLord". Lies, lies, lies.

Merlin well said - "Lie 3 XXoDDuSS did not play in 2006, and not even in 2002. I think he appeared sometime in late 2003. He was an expert only for a short period of time, and then disappeared. He was only considered a godfather or top expert in the delusional mind of FireDragon, who told lies to generations of players to make people think X2X was around longer than it was, and housed champions whos skill was exaggerated."

 - as I said about in "Discuss About the Greatest Of All Time - add me to the greatest" by G$F HackeTT - Copying my words > "Idk who told you even played back then, you have bad informations hl.. You should know about real pioneers of SH/C and put them along those."

Merlin again - "Lie 5: I was told the same story about the founding of DHK. HolyLord claims his story, and no one else is around to tell the difference. The fact is, that when DHK started, as with every clan in the history of SHC (except maybe GSF), no one really paid attention to it until it had proven itself. You do not see one man pop on a tag one day and ask to see who the founder is. And until that clan proves itself you have no reason to care. I have only heard from two people about the founding of DHK, TheWizardCharles being the other, and he claimed he founded the clan himself. Clearly there is still some mystery to DHK's origins."

His words and fluent english were always better explaining the whole situation than me, and this is kinda simillar what I wanted to do 2 years ago on topic "The Greatest Of All Time?" and other work I'm doing here with words only.

And finally, by Merlin "Lie 1: I would throw this out as proof in either direction. HaCKeTT by both men's stories is clearly an aka of someone, and the fact is this was a long time ago when there was much confusion and chaos of akas and bigger clan battles going on at the time."

- as I said in "Discuss About the Greatest Of All Time - add me to the greatest" by G$F HackeTT. Copying my words > Hackett does not exist... He is an long-range aka of DHK (probably HL, Barth, Arma - high ranked or/and loyal DHK) as many other "experts players" before from DHK, X2X, G$F etc.

I can't say, HL and Gilman are both right on SOME things, but still I know HL lie on bunch of things over these years. I don't have any proof, but isn't my posts over this 2 years enough? ...

Finally, about the players, that HL asked Gilman and Merlin's answers - http://hybz.webs.com/ , check SHC The Hall Of Fame - I made that list like 2-3 months ago when I activated my site after 5 years or so, check it out for everyone who cares and read below if I should add someone more. I think this is enough for me lol. Cheers

[!Yu.GoD!GILMAN~RF]

Well 2 almost the oldest players from shc saying my side of speaking is right.
Merlin the magnificient player from 2002,also Fireboy same older player,are confirming speaks that HL lies.See posts.
Then if you dont believe me,you should believe them.He made a bunch of lies indeed and all knows it,but a low can prove it.I have a proofs and someone knows it.
As Hl were silent in answering Fireboy's topics about 2 years ago,he knew he cant lie then,but obvious he cant   understand that ALL LIES FALL A PART AT THE END.in every lie there is a truth which waiting be discovered.Thanks god because there are a mates who knows real truth as i know and who can speaks in the name of truth.

FIREBOY:"I fucking adore when you don't reply on my posts since I pwned u (chill out, not in game, check my topic 2 years ago, where u deleted all of ur lies - or you tho that was truth lol). 
I expect your reply will be no one cares about you etc. or similar, here my answer straight away for it (since I don't bielive you have any argument to get me in conversations like this - nor you had) the only players ever cared about you/your gameplay/your clan/everything ... are younger than 16 years. I hope you like being "god of shc" for them. Doesn't matter, I know where I am right and that's kinda important (I've got life - ignore important lol) for me, for my role in SHC atm. Wish you all the best in life with your first girl. Cheers :)"
http://the-best-of-crusader.4467478.n2.nabble.com/A-Message-From-Your-King-td7580314i40.html

ofc you are right :)and again he cant make new fake things(i think he spent all he can imagine lol) he cant reply because you know why...
"Idk who told you even played back then, you have bad informations hl.. You should know about real pioneers of SH/C and put them along those."

again something i say earlier,he forget all of shc importance(or he trying make new fake one again)

Hackett does not exist... He is an long-range aka of DHK (probably HL, Barth, Arma - high ranked or/and loyal DHK) as many other "experts players" before from DHK, X2X, G$F etc.
So again merlin and fb saying he were aka.so again truth won.

I can't say, HL and Gilman are both right on SOME things, but still I know HL lie on bunch of things over these years. I don't have any proof, but isn't my posts over this 2 years enough? ...
For IQ people over 12 is enough to realize something.

[~)ULC(~V3n0m~]

I can answer all of those questions Holy (:
LOL. Holylord,Gilman only knows #5 because I told him. He asked me about ULC and he only knows cuz of me xD
By the way Holy,you know Sanitarium still gets on every now and then on gr? Along with Kyuss. If you want me to give you their ID ill be more then glad to give it to you.

[Merlin]

Actually Devilspawn was notorious for using other peoples names and clan tags. I do not believe he was ever a member of X2X, he just liked to wear the tag to cause chaos in the lobby.

The list of players I find irrelevant, I do not remember every player from every clan.

GSF came about a year and a half after X2X, and the original GSF members were all old X2X members. They actually had a falling out with FireDragon because of the hatred they began to receive from the general players because of the way that FireDragon was running his clan. GSF actually went on to make the situation worse on their own though.

I never payed much attention to HELL or devilspawns antics. All I know was I had him banned from GameSpy for spamming 'anal' over and over during events.

San was in DHK after ULC.

NDR stood for Necromancer Dark Realms Ramm.

[~)ULC(~V3n0m~]

Yep,early of 2006 was when ULC was created by Sani,Rage,and $pecial. I think January? Probably February i forgot. I was one of the original members..

[~)ULC(~V3n0m~]

A question any of you nerds can't answer..
Who was the FIRST person to join GSA for SHC??

xD good luck (:

[Dr.Peabody]

*Devilsspawn.

Anywho.  Hi.  I'm Dr. Peabody.  I'm pretty much more awesome than you all in every way, so yeah, stfu and listen.

You're all silly chumps for caring about any of this.  And HolyLord is the silliest chump, who cares about this stuff the most.  But do show some fucking respect:  He probably did a fuck more than you to advance this game, and his facts are pretty well ordered.

Whatever.  Get the fuck over it and go play more games.

[!Yu.GoD!GILMAN~RF]

Lol venom i never asked you about ulc,or sanitarium we had various chats so we discuss about them but i never asked you  that lol
True pea.

[NDR-DRGN_MastaPlayboy]

Yes, Peabody is right.     HL did alot more than you GILMAN for SHC, and his facts are correct (unlike urs).

[!Yu.GoD!GILMAN~RF]

I never say he didnt.But he made a lot a good things,but also a many lies,many many....
AND ALL NEED GET THAT I AM NOT INTERESED TO "DESTROY OR SMT LIKE IT" HL BUT TO PROVE TRUTH.

[NDR-DRGN_MastaPlayboy]

You're only making more lies, as HL shown.

[Fireboy]

I assume, about 80 % sure, guys from SHK and some people who made the game - same for SH.

[~)ULC(~V3n0m~]

Possibly,I'm pretty sure it was some [WIZ] person. Fire you started playing in 2002 am I right?

[Fireboy]

Yea, nah WIZ's involved in SHC a bit later. As I said, I'm not 100 % sure, but I assume SHK (Stronghold Knights - some of their members were actually made the game, worked in Firefly Studios) along with DKS have main role in very beggining of SHC at GameSpy.